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Tony Gilroy on Cassian Cliffhanger;  Season 2 with Rebel Gangsters – Deadline

Tony Gilroy on Cassian Cliffhanger; Season 2 with Rebel Gangsters – Deadline

Warning: The following interview contains spoilers. of Andor Season 1 finale “Rix Road” on Disney+

Star Wars Creator George Lucas once wrote about “the taxation of the trade routes” in the opening prologue of Star Wars – Episode I: The Phantom Menace, and if it’s disney+ Star Wars The series has given die-hard fans something, it’s the binary, granular look at how those universe politics come to be. Weather the mandalorian, Obi Wan Kenobi Y Boba Fett’s book has been intoxicated by legacy character callbacks and all the atmospheric Lucas stuff and even Star Wars In the imaginings of animation architect Dave Filoni, Gilroy has focused on the smaller conversations, the administrative details if you will, of how a bureaucratic Imperial force emerges and how a rebellion comes together between disparate factions (Hint, it helps to have one person). rich in your corner who is trying to move money and finance the opposition, read Genevieve O’Reilly’s rebel co-founder, to be Mon Mothma). One of those amazing details revealed in the epilogue: those big steel wheels that Cassian and the Narkina 5 prisoners were assembling a few episodes ago were parts of the Death Star’s cannon. Duh. They are those kind of Easter eggs that Andor has thrived off the deep universe cameos of Filoni’s animated shows.

(L-R): Corv (Noof Ousellam), Lt. Keysax (Nick Moss), Supervisor Dedra Meero (Denise Gough), and Captain Vanis Tigo (Wilf Scolding)

The first season completes the first year in rebel-to be Cassian Andor’s life. He returns to Ferrix for the funeral of her adoptive mother Maarva (Fiona Shaw), but can’t exactly be out in the open. The Imperials are sensing that something is about to go down, and it does when the droid B2Emo projects a hologram of Maarva before the crowd, Obi-Wan-style urging them to fight the power (“Fight the Empire! “), at which point there is an outburst worse than a drunken Mardi Gras with pipe bombs going off. Let the Star Wars begin. Andor escapes through the tunnels of the furnaces, and the supervisor of the Imperial Security Office, Dedra Meero (the sublime Denise Gough), is trampled by the protesters, only to be rescued by her twin flame, the anti- Andor, the super imperial aspirant Syril Karn (Kyle Soller). It was just a few episodes ago, she was playing hard to get. Now it seems to be a steamier romance than anything in Grey’s Anatomy.

It all ends at Luthen Rael’s (Stellan Skarsgård) Fondor, where he confronts Cassian.

“You came to kill me,” Andor says. “You don’t make it easy,” Luthen replies.

“I’ll do it now,” Andor says, giving up, “Kill me…or take me with you.”

Luthen smiles knowing that Andor is part of the Rebel cause.

Here is our interview with Andor creator Tony Gilroy, who was taking a break from filming the second series in England:

Maarva (Fiona Shaw) in a scene from Lucasfilm’s ANDOR, exclusively on Disney+. ©2022 Lucasfilm Ltd. & TM. All rights reserved.

Was there something in the story that inspired the end of the first season? Especially with everything that is happening in the Ukraine.

Tony Gilroy: It’s so unbelievably sad how readily available all the things that seemed sad at one time are throughout history and just keep repeating themselves.

There are things throughout the show, and I don’t want to go on and quote chapters and verses, but this is the Russian Revolution. This is the Montagnard. This is an interesting thing that happened in the Haitian Revolution. This is the ANC. Oh, this is the Earth Gun Building, Palestine. This is the Continental Congress. This goes all the way… I mean, you could drop a needle on the last one, I don’t know what recorded history is, 3,000 years, legitimate recorded, I mean, slavery, oppression, colonialism, bad behavior, treason, heroism, I mean, it’s a continuum.

The development of Rebel co-founder Mon Mothma feels like a nod to Nancy Pelosi. She is this upper class person who knows that she is a catalyst to make a difference and right wrongs.

Gilroy: Her job description is Senator, longtime politician, power player, doesn’t get everything he wants, doesn’t get everything he wants. She certainly wasn’t thinking of the Speaker of the House when she was writing the screenplays.

Luthen Rael (Stellan Skarsgard) in ANDOR by Lucasfilm

The cliffhanger where Cassian risks his life and takes on Luthen Rael, did you always plan for it?

Tony Gilroy: I said we took 12 episodes, over the course of a year, we’ll take this whole stretch of time, and we’ll take someone who’s completely disillusioned and completely self-interested and who’s really having the worst day of his life, and just someone who’s is changing into a cockroach, and we’re going to turn that person into a year, we’re going to do the first turn to be the guy who’s in rogue oneand we’re going to get him to sign up.

And so, yes, the final moment of this is an indentation. It took us so long to do it. It is what it is, the road to Damascus or its 12 stations of the cross or whatever context you want to put it in. He went through everything to become: To give a little blood at the end of the show and say, that’s it. I’m in. His commitment to the Rebellion and fighting the Empire and devoting his life to that, we’re not going to question that now. In the future, we have a bunch of new issues that we’re going to deal with, but that bottom line was on the table before a lot of other stuff was worked on.

Mapping out the next season, how many episodes for each year of Cassian’s life?

We’re going to cover the next 12 episodes, we’re going to cover the next four years. So, every block of three episodes that we shoot, and that’s our organizing principle for the production.

So when we return for our second half, it will be a year later. A whole year will have passed. All kinds of things will have happened, and we will continue the program; sometimes we do a week, we do three days, we do four days, whatever, and then we drop a year in between.

The last will be the last, I don’t know what it is, three, four days before the start of rogue oneand then our final scene has always been known, which will take you to the first scene of rogue one. So, we’ll be dealing with time in a different way, but it will be blocks of three. That will be our beginning.

Can you fast forward season 2?

Tony Gilroy: We’ll be dealing with, by the time you get to rogue one you have the Rebel Alliance, which is a bunch of different factions and disparate people that have come to Yavin and come together in what will become an organized rebellion. Well, we have four years to examine how hard it is to make a revolution, how hard it is to become a leader, how hard it is to be a victim.

But what about the original gangsters? What happens to outliers? What about the people who were… every revolution consumes people and glorifies people, and not always the people who did what mattered? How do you scale something that essentially doesn’t thrive in sunlight? How do you do that? And those problems and all the chaos of that will be of great interest to us in the future.

Duncan Pow, who plays Melshi, will return. Obviously, we’re playing around with that because he’s going to be in rogue one.

The Imperials seem to be making Cassian more of a notorious guy than he really is. It seems like they are giving it this larger than life reputation. Do you agree?

Tony Gilroy: You don’t even know who you really are. They don’t even really know how bad it is. they don’t know. I mean, they think it might have been in Aldhani, but the reason Denise Gough’s Dedra Meero is trying to get him so hard is a great hunter-hunted relationship. It’s desperate and she’s right to be after him. She thinks enough like him that she is the first person to realize that Aldhani is not a robbery, it is an advertisement. And she’s going to be after him for a long time, and you know, Cassian is the link. That’s the only viable link she can find. If you can find him, you might find Luthern. Stellan’s Luthen doesn’t know who Cassian is.

That epilogue with the construction of the Death Star, was it always on the cards?

Tony Gilroy: Yeah, when we came up with prison and we started saying, ‘What are we doing?’ and then we build the thing. It’s like, ‘Oh my gosh. Well, let’s make him do that. How ironic and how powerful and how round and synchronicitis that.’

And then Mohen Leo and TJ Falls, who are from the visual arts department, who are amazing and were in rogue one, they said, ‘Oh, let’s play with that.’ And you know, six months later you go into a visual master deal and it’s like, oh, we’ve got a special treat to launch today and it’s like, the raw version of that, it was great. They did all of that and we helped refine it, but it’s also their piece.

Questions and answers have been edited for length and clarity.

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